SWAMI NEEDS NO MEDIUMS
presented by shubha ramesh kumar
July 10, 2020
Recently a long-standing devotee, in response to some remarks made by a follower of Madhusudhan Naidu, gave a very informative and enriching commentary, comprising Swami’s teachings, works of devotees and words of famous saints. These keen observations give devotees an opportunity to rethink, reevaluate and understand why our beloved Swami doesn’t need a medium, a channel or intermediary of any sort, reminding us that the Omniscient, Omnipresent Lord is very accessible to all those who seek Him in their hearts. I will be posting excerpts of the commentary in many parts.
- Shubha Ramesh Kumar
- Shubha Ramesh Kumar
PART ONE:
What is mental mediumship AND
how is Naidu different from a Charles Penn or a Lucas Ralli ?
MENTAL MEDIUMSHIP
I’d like to point out before we begin, that you are using a discussion with Swami about mediums, in order to support Madhusudan Naidu, who claims that he is not a medium. By using this defense you are actually admitting that Madhusudan is acting as a medium. Not that it was ever much of a defense.
Members of the First Spiritual Temple have investigated and practised mediumship since the temple was founded in 1883. They have provided a detailed explanation of mental mediumship:
Mental mediumship involves the relating of information, through communication, via the varied aspects of thought transference, or mental telepathy. … Mental mediumship takes place within the consciousness of the medium. The results are expressed verbally and must pass through the medium's mouth. … In a demonstration of mental mediumship, it is the medium who hears, sees, and feels what the spirit communicators are relating. Furthermore, it is the medium's function to relate the information, with minimum personal influence and prejudice, to the recipient of the message… http://www.fst.org/mediumship.htm
So mental mediumship includes hearing the voice of a spirit and then relaying those words without personal influence...kind of like a mike, as Madhusudan said. And to confirm that this is exactly what Madhusudan is doing, here’s Mr Narasimhamurthy explaining that Madhusudan receives his spirit communications mentally before repeating the words out loud to his listeners:
"Perhaps you know that the communication of Swami [Madhusudan Naidu] – when He starts speaking – is from mind-to-mind. It is not that Madhusudhan listens to the sounds, but it is from mind-to-mind."
B. N. Narasimha Murthy quoted on http://ravisiyer.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/madhusudhan-naidu-mind-to-mind.html
So according to Mr Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan hears the voice of a spirit, which he claims is Swami, even though the spirit’s teachings contradict Swami. He listens to this voice in his head and he then repeats the words of this spirit. This matches the definition of mental mediumship.
Members of the First Spiritual Temple have investigated and practised mediumship since the temple was founded in 1883. They have provided a detailed explanation of mental mediumship:
Mental mediumship involves the relating of information, through communication, via the varied aspects of thought transference, or mental telepathy. … Mental mediumship takes place within the consciousness of the medium. The results are expressed verbally and must pass through the medium's mouth. … In a demonstration of mental mediumship, it is the medium who hears, sees, and feels what the spirit communicators are relating. Furthermore, it is the medium's function to relate the information, with minimum personal influence and prejudice, to the recipient of the message… http://www.fst.org/mediumship.htm
So mental mediumship includes hearing the voice of a spirit and then relaying those words without personal influence...kind of like a mike, as Madhusudan said. And to confirm that this is exactly what Madhusudan is doing, here’s Mr Narasimhamurthy explaining that Madhusudan receives his spirit communications mentally before repeating the words out loud to his listeners:
"Perhaps you know that the communication of Swami [Madhusudan Naidu] – when He starts speaking – is from mind-to-mind. It is not that Madhusudhan listens to the sounds, but it is from mind-to-mind."
B. N. Narasimha Murthy quoted on http://ravisiyer.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/madhusudhan-naidu-mind-to-mind.html
So according to Mr Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan hears the voice of a spirit, which he claims is Swami, even though the spirit’s teachings contradict Swami. He listens to this voice in his head and he then repeats the words of this spirit. This matches the definition of mental mediumship.
MISUSING AND MISINTERPRETING BROTHER JEGADEESHAN'S BOOK AND QUESTIONS TO SWAMI
Coming back to the original point, you see, Jega was asking Swami about mediums, specifically trance mediums in Malaysia. But as we have already discussed, Madhusudan and Narasimhamurthy have been very vocal in denying that Madhusudan was acting as a medium for Swami.
This was of course because Swami was so very clear that He never used mediums, so admitting that Madhusudan was acting as a medium would have been the kiss of death to everything he was doing. If he had admitted that he was acting as a medium for Swami, devotees would have rejected him completely.
That’s why they came up with the term ‘communicator.’ Of course, there are quotes where Swami did say that He doesn’t communicate through anyone. He also says that He never possesses anyone, although Madhusudan now claims his body is possessed by Swami. Have you never picked up on these inconsistencies in Madhusudan's claims?
Since you are using an example where Swami talks about mediums, does this mean that you now admit that Madhusudan has been claiming to act as a medium for Swami the whole time? And that the claims that he is not a medium were lies designed to circumvent the fact that Swami said that He never used mediums and in fact consistently warned against them?
In any case, you are once again attempting to use a discussion that Jega Jagadeesan had with Baba in order to justify Madhusudan's claims:
Bhagavan Baba Himself has on many occasions urged devotees not to be taken up by mediums and others. However, after my experiences and research, I decided to ask Him about it. On one occasion when I had the opportunity I raised this subject and made specific reference to the experiences I had undergone and He replied: ‘Yes! These are true – but the reason why Swami discourages is because for every truth there are a hundred false!’
J. Jagadeesan, Journey To God Part III, p.152 quoted on https://saiuvacha.wordpress.com/tag/sri-sathya-sai-baba/
However, this is not the whole truth of what Swami said. We already discussed the facts of this matter on Facebook back in February 2017, so to be honest, I’m wondering why you are persisting in using this example. But perhaps you have just forgotten this?
Once again, here’s the actual truth. This partial narration of the conversation which you and other followers of Madhusudan provide, gives a false impression that Jega was asking whether Swami Himself ever used mediums. However Jega gives a more complete description of the conversation in his book, Journey to God, Part 4 - The Fourth Dimension. The truth is that Jega was actually asking Baba if two Malaysian mediums who claimed they were manifesting Devi and Murugan were legitimate:
"I have asked Swami about the "Muruga Phenomenon" at the time he blessed the book. The conversation went something like this:
Jega: Bhagavan I know you have talked against this whole phenomenon of trance. But in this case, in the case of this uncle (and I mentioned his name - and also that of a young girl who at that time was manifesting an incredibly powerful trance phenomenon of Shakti, "Divine Mother" - but that is another story and I may refer to it later), I cannot believe these are false! Please Bhagavan (I pleaded) tell me what is true!
Baba: (Smiling gently and sensing the earnestness of my query replied) “Yes! This is true. But do you know why Swami discourages? For every true there are a hundred false!”
Jega Jagadeesan, Journey to God, part 4 - The Fourth Dimension, p.7
When the full quote is viewed, it can be seen that it does not support the idea that Swami communicated via mediums or intermediaries. Baba was saying that the two trance mediums in Malaysia were genuine, not that He Himself spoke through them. So this quote doesn’t negate the fact that Swami said repeatedly that He does not use mediums. It seems strange that we never see this clarification from Muddenahalli people, just the part of the quote that seems to support what they want people to believe.
Journey to God Part 4 gives many of Jega's experiences with spirits who speak through mediums. He tells of times when spirits could tell him all about himself, his family and past events in his life, give out deep spiritual teachings, perform healings and materialise objects - all phenomena which are similar to or beyond what Madhusudan has been able to demonstrate. Yet the main point that Jega makes is that NONE of the spirits who were able to produce these phenomena were Swami.
So your quoting of Jega and this particular incident in the future may be counterproductive, if you are in fact seeking to promote Madhusudan's claims. Because to quote it basically equates Madhusudan with a medium, something he claims he is not. And the particular quote is not an admission that Swami uses mediums, which is what you and others have tried to use it for.
This was of course because Swami was so very clear that He never used mediums, so admitting that Madhusudan was acting as a medium would have been the kiss of death to everything he was doing. If he had admitted that he was acting as a medium for Swami, devotees would have rejected him completely.
That’s why they came up with the term ‘communicator.’ Of course, there are quotes where Swami did say that He doesn’t communicate through anyone. He also says that He never possesses anyone, although Madhusudan now claims his body is possessed by Swami. Have you never picked up on these inconsistencies in Madhusudan's claims?
Since you are using an example where Swami talks about mediums, does this mean that you now admit that Madhusudan has been claiming to act as a medium for Swami the whole time? And that the claims that he is not a medium were lies designed to circumvent the fact that Swami said that He never used mediums and in fact consistently warned against them?
In any case, you are once again attempting to use a discussion that Jega Jagadeesan had with Baba in order to justify Madhusudan's claims:
Bhagavan Baba Himself has on many occasions urged devotees not to be taken up by mediums and others. However, after my experiences and research, I decided to ask Him about it. On one occasion when I had the opportunity I raised this subject and made specific reference to the experiences I had undergone and He replied: ‘Yes! These are true – but the reason why Swami discourages is because for every truth there are a hundred false!’
J. Jagadeesan, Journey To God Part III, p.152 quoted on https://saiuvacha.wordpress.com/tag/sri-sathya-sai-baba/
However, this is not the whole truth of what Swami said. We already discussed the facts of this matter on Facebook back in February 2017, so to be honest, I’m wondering why you are persisting in using this example. But perhaps you have just forgotten this?
Once again, here’s the actual truth. This partial narration of the conversation which you and other followers of Madhusudan provide, gives a false impression that Jega was asking whether Swami Himself ever used mediums. However Jega gives a more complete description of the conversation in his book, Journey to God, Part 4 - The Fourth Dimension. The truth is that Jega was actually asking Baba if two Malaysian mediums who claimed they were manifesting Devi and Murugan were legitimate:
"I have asked Swami about the "Muruga Phenomenon" at the time he blessed the book. The conversation went something like this:
Jega: Bhagavan I know you have talked against this whole phenomenon of trance. But in this case, in the case of this uncle (and I mentioned his name - and also that of a young girl who at that time was manifesting an incredibly powerful trance phenomenon of Shakti, "Divine Mother" - but that is another story and I may refer to it later), I cannot believe these are false! Please Bhagavan (I pleaded) tell me what is true!
Baba: (Smiling gently and sensing the earnestness of my query replied) “Yes! This is true. But do you know why Swami discourages? For every true there are a hundred false!”
Jega Jagadeesan, Journey to God, part 4 - The Fourth Dimension, p.7
When the full quote is viewed, it can be seen that it does not support the idea that Swami communicated via mediums or intermediaries. Baba was saying that the two trance mediums in Malaysia were genuine, not that He Himself spoke through them. So this quote doesn’t negate the fact that Swami said repeatedly that He does not use mediums. It seems strange that we never see this clarification from Muddenahalli people, just the part of the quote that seems to support what they want people to believe.
Journey to God Part 4 gives many of Jega's experiences with spirits who speak through mediums. He tells of times when spirits could tell him all about himself, his family and past events in his life, give out deep spiritual teachings, perform healings and materialise objects - all phenomena which are similar to or beyond what Madhusudan has been able to demonstrate. Yet the main point that Jega makes is that NONE of the spirits who were able to produce these phenomena were Swami.
So your quoting of Jega and this particular incident in the future may be counterproductive, if you are in fact seeking to promote Madhusudan's claims. Because to quote it basically equates Madhusudan with a medium, something he claims he is not. And the particular quote is not an admission that Swami uses mediums, which is what you and others have tried to use it for.
Another reference for clarity is: https://thetruesai.weebly.com/uncle-jega-corrects-mdh-false-claims.html
While these mediums may be true in the sense that they are genuinely mediums for a spiritual being rather than simply pretending to speak to a spirit, Swami has also said that God will never communicate this way. Even back in the late 1940's Swami told Kanamma (the author of Sri Sathya Sai Anandadayi) that God will never use mediums and that the spirits contacted by mediums try to pose as gods:
Question: Swami, what kind of acts should be done and what type of acts should be avoided for self-realisation? We are ignorant of this.
Swami: Do not believe in mesmerism (spiritualism, use of mediums). Do not try to learn it or practice it. What you see then are evil spirits. God is not that easily attainable. God, who is a form of satvaguna (purity), will never enter into these lowly things and talk. Man is seven steps below God. Evil spirits are six steps below God. God's aura falls on all these steps. Evil spirits have slightly greater strength than man. With this extra strength, they have the power to masquerade themselves as Gods. (Do not get cheated by these spirits. Beware!). Sri Sathya Sai Anandadayi, p.292. Except can be accessed from http://scriptures.ru/jws_exc.htm
So while you persist in using the example of mediums to prove the claims of Madhusudan, who claims he isn’t a medium, Swami has been saying for at least over 70 years that:
1. God will never communicate through mediums.
2. The spirits contacted by mediums are evil spirits posing as Divine beings.
3. He will never speak through another person or possess another person.
Again, according to Mr Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan hears the voice of a spirit, which he claims is Swami, even though the spirit’s teachings contradict Swami. This makes him a medium, even though Swami said He never uses mediums. And now we see that Swami says that will never talk through mediums, like Madhusudan.
Question: Swami, what kind of acts should be done and what type of acts should be avoided for self-realisation? We are ignorant of this.
Swami: Do not believe in mesmerism (spiritualism, use of mediums). Do not try to learn it or practice it. What you see then are evil spirits. God is not that easily attainable. God, who is a form of satvaguna (purity), will never enter into these lowly things and talk. Man is seven steps below God. Evil spirits are six steps below God. God's aura falls on all these steps. Evil spirits have slightly greater strength than man. With this extra strength, they have the power to masquerade themselves as Gods. (Do not get cheated by these spirits. Beware!). Sri Sathya Sai Anandadayi, p.292. Except can be accessed from http://scriptures.ru/jws_exc.htm
So while you persist in using the example of mediums to prove the claims of Madhusudan, who claims he isn’t a medium, Swami has been saying for at least over 70 years that:
1. God will never communicate through mediums.
2. The spirits contacted by mediums are evil spirits posing as Divine beings.
3. He will never speak through another person or possess another person.
Again, according to Mr Narasimhamurthy, Madhusudan hears the voice of a spirit, which he claims is Swami, even though the spirit’s teachings contradict Swami. This makes him a medium, even though Swami said He never uses mediums. And now we see that Swami says that will never talk through mediums, like Madhusudan.
THE SPIRIT THAT INHABITS NAIDU
Which leaves us all with the question – what is it that is talking through Madhusudan?
We know it isn’t Swami, because Swami made it very clear He doesn’t need or use mediums and we trust Swami’s words. So what are we left with?
The first possibility is that the spirit speaking through Madhusudan is exactly what Swami said, a spirit masquerading as Swami. As Swami said, these evil spirits have greater strength than man and they do have the ability to pose as Divine beings.
This spirit speaking through Madhusudan has claimed to be Swami, but portrays Swami as being fallible – saying He left His body due to illness even though Swami said that illness couldn’t approach Him, claiming He failed to complete His mission even though Swami said His mission was complete, which means that it also not above speaking untruth to get what it wants.
It portrays Swami as needing to ask for money for His mission, as wanting properties all over the world and as being dismissive of those who don’t accept its claims. It portrays Swami as being lesser than the spirit speaking through the medium, by claiming to give out higher teachings than Swami even though that is also patently untrue.
The spirit claims that it’s followers are the chosen ones while others are lesser, and has basically worked hard to sow disunity in the organisation which Swami founded, by claiming to be Swami, while teaching things which Swami condemned. It has sought to turn devotees away from the Sathya Sai Organisation, which Swami spent half His life building into unity and which He asked us to maintain unity in, even in His last public discourse. The spirit has also told devotees to leave Swami’s organisation and walk alone if it will not allow them to follow Madhu. In contrast, this is the organisation which Swami told His devotees to never leave, but to instead treat as their life’s breath.
To the devotees of Swami reading this, does this sound like Swami to you?
Coming back to our previous point though, to give the appearance of greater support for Muddenahalli's claims, quotes and video footage of talks by Jega and fellow long-term devotee, Dr P V Shankar, are featured on the Muddenahalli website, https://saiuvacha.wordpress.com/tag/swami-and-muddenahalli/.
I’ve known Jega for over 30 years. Jega has confirmed to me personally that he does not believe Madhusudan’s claims. That he has also confirmed this to devotees on many, many occasions is also a matter of public record. Jega has also confirmed that he has never been contacted by the author of the Sai Uvacha website to ask for permission to use his footage or quotes on the website. To believe that the owners of the website would not be aware of Jega’s stance on Muddenahalli stretches credulity.
Tell me, do you think it is ethical for the above mentioned website to misquote Jega in order to give the impression that Baba said He did use mediums? Or to use Jega’s material without seeking permission in order to give the impression that Jega, a well-known devotee, supports what Madhusudan is claiming?
I’m sure the devotees on this forum would like to know if you do. Because if you do, this would call into question both your ethics and your commitment to truth and therefore, anything that you say on this forum. After all, you told devotee X that it is not good to copy other’s opinions without knowing the facts, yet you have done exactly that here in presenting this quote as evidence.
We know it isn’t Swami, because Swami made it very clear He doesn’t need or use mediums and we trust Swami’s words. So what are we left with?
The first possibility is that the spirit speaking through Madhusudan is exactly what Swami said, a spirit masquerading as Swami. As Swami said, these evil spirits have greater strength than man and they do have the ability to pose as Divine beings.
This spirit speaking through Madhusudan has claimed to be Swami, but portrays Swami as being fallible – saying He left His body due to illness even though Swami said that illness couldn’t approach Him, claiming He failed to complete His mission even though Swami said His mission was complete, which means that it also not above speaking untruth to get what it wants.
It portrays Swami as needing to ask for money for His mission, as wanting properties all over the world and as being dismissive of those who don’t accept its claims. It portrays Swami as being lesser than the spirit speaking through the medium, by claiming to give out higher teachings than Swami even though that is also patently untrue.
The spirit claims that it’s followers are the chosen ones while others are lesser, and has basically worked hard to sow disunity in the organisation which Swami founded, by claiming to be Swami, while teaching things which Swami condemned. It has sought to turn devotees away from the Sathya Sai Organisation, which Swami spent half His life building into unity and which He asked us to maintain unity in, even in His last public discourse. The spirit has also told devotees to leave Swami’s organisation and walk alone if it will not allow them to follow Madhu. In contrast, this is the organisation which Swami told His devotees to never leave, but to instead treat as their life’s breath.
To the devotees of Swami reading this, does this sound like Swami to you?
Coming back to our previous point though, to give the appearance of greater support for Muddenahalli's claims, quotes and video footage of talks by Jega and fellow long-term devotee, Dr P V Shankar, are featured on the Muddenahalli website, https://saiuvacha.wordpress.com/tag/swami-and-muddenahalli/.
I’ve known Jega for over 30 years. Jega has confirmed to me personally that he does not believe Madhusudan’s claims. That he has also confirmed this to devotees on many, many occasions is also a matter of public record. Jega has also confirmed that he has never been contacted by the author of the Sai Uvacha website to ask for permission to use his footage or quotes on the website. To believe that the owners of the website would not be aware of Jega’s stance on Muddenahalli stretches credulity.
Tell me, do you think it is ethical for the above mentioned website to misquote Jega in order to give the impression that Baba said He did use mediums? Or to use Jega’s material without seeking permission in order to give the impression that Jega, a well-known devotee, supports what Madhusudan is claiming?
I’m sure the devotees on this forum would like to know if you do. Because if you do, this would call into question both your ethics and your commitment to truth and therefore, anything that you say on this forum. After all, you told devotee X that it is not good to copy other’s opinions without knowing the facts, yet you have done exactly that here in presenting this quote as evidence.
THE CASE OF CHARLES PEN, LUCAS RALLI AND SEEMA DEWAN
The claim that Madhusudan's followers often make is that Sathya Sai Baba never objected to devotees such as these passing on messages from Baba. They say that Baba even confirmed that He was giving messages to these devotees. Since this is the case they ask, why do people object when Madhusudan does the same thing?
It is true that Swami confirmed He had given messages to devotees such as Charles Penn and others. However, is it correct to then try to use their example to justify Madhusudan's claims as you are doing?
Look at the enormous difference between the behaviour of these devotees and the behaviour of Madhusudan. Devotees such as Charles shared the messages which Baba gave to them, mostly for their own spiritual development, in the privacy of their own meditations. When they shared these messages in their books (after obtaining Baba's permission to do this) they simply shared what Sathya Sai Baba said to them, in the same way that any devotee might share their interactions with Baba in the interview room:
Whether it be at sunrise or sunset, it seems that before my Dhyana (meditation) is completed, I have received answers to any particular subject that I would like to have explained. Recently during a deep Dhyana I had the glorious experience of a question and answer session. I was able to ask anything I wished concerning my work on the Book, or about myself and also why I should be allowed to perform such a wonderful service…My first 'experience' was in the third week of July 1965. So I wrote to His Grace, Sri Sathya Sai Baba, and thanked Him for the Lesson. Let me tell you all about this and other glorious Lessons so that you, too, may enjoy the experience of this Knowledge. Charles Penn, My Beloved, p.16
So what is the difference between these devotees and what Madhusudan is doing?
These devotees did not claim to grant 'darshan' while declaring they act on behalf of Baba as Madhusudan does. They did not imitate Sathya Sai Baba's voice, gestures and manner of walking as Madhusudan does. They did not sign their names as 'Sri Sathya Sai' as Madhusudan has done. They did not give interviews while claiming to tell people what Sathya Sai Baba is saying to them, as Madhusudan does. They did not go around giving out personal advice to devotees, saying that Swami was speaking through them. They did not travel the world asking devotees to build ashrams as Madhusudan does. They did not claim that Baba had only done 20% of His mission, but they were going to complete 80% of His mission by using them as an intermediary, as Madhusudan is doing. They did not claim that Baba was performing the Maha Shivarathri lingodbhavam (manifestation of the lingam from the mouth) through them as Madhusudan has done. In short, these devotees did not place themselves between Swami and His devotees in the way that Madhusudan Naidu does, nor did they seek to supplant Swami as the object of devotees’ worship as Madhusudan has done.
These devotees sharing the messages they received from Swami in meditation is vastly different from the behaviour of Madhusudan. There is absolutely no comparison between them. The fact that his followers claim that there is, gives the impression they are desperately grasping at any justification they can find.
In summary:
1: Swami spoke to these devotees in their meditations etc and then gave them permission to pass those messages on to devotees. These devotees never asked for money, tried to gather followers, claimed they could grant interviews or answer personal questions. They never imitated Swami’s voice or mannerisms, nor did they ever try to set themselves up as gurus. They never acted as anything other than humble devotees of Swami.
2: Madhusudan has progressively set himself up as an intermediary for Baba, even though Baba said He needs no intermediary. He asks for money and properties around the world, even though Swami said He would never do this. Then he went another step further and set himself up as a replacement for Baba. These other devotees did not.
It is true that Swami confirmed He had given messages to devotees such as Charles Penn and others. However, is it correct to then try to use their example to justify Madhusudan's claims as you are doing?
Look at the enormous difference between the behaviour of these devotees and the behaviour of Madhusudan. Devotees such as Charles shared the messages which Baba gave to them, mostly for their own spiritual development, in the privacy of their own meditations. When they shared these messages in their books (after obtaining Baba's permission to do this) they simply shared what Sathya Sai Baba said to them, in the same way that any devotee might share their interactions with Baba in the interview room:
Whether it be at sunrise or sunset, it seems that before my Dhyana (meditation) is completed, I have received answers to any particular subject that I would like to have explained. Recently during a deep Dhyana I had the glorious experience of a question and answer session. I was able to ask anything I wished concerning my work on the Book, or about myself and also why I should be allowed to perform such a wonderful service…My first 'experience' was in the third week of July 1965. So I wrote to His Grace, Sri Sathya Sai Baba, and thanked Him for the Lesson. Let me tell you all about this and other glorious Lessons so that you, too, may enjoy the experience of this Knowledge. Charles Penn, My Beloved, p.16
So what is the difference between these devotees and what Madhusudan is doing?
These devotees did not claim to grant 'darshan' while declaring they act on behalf of Baba as Madhusudan does. They did not imitate Sathya Sai Baba's voice, gestures and manner of walking as Madhusudan does. They did not sign their names as 'Sri Sathya Sai' as Madhusudan has done. They did not give interviews while claiming to tell people what Sathya Sai Baba is saying to them, as Madhusudan does. They did not go around giving out personal advice to devotees, saying that Swami was speaking through them. They did not travel the world asking devotees to build ashrams as Madhusudan does. They did not claim that Baba had only done 20% of His mission, but they were going to complete 80% of His mission by using them as an intermediary, as Madhusudan is doing. They did not claim that Baba was performing the Maha Shivarathri lingodbhavam (manifestation of the lingam from the mouth) through them as Madhusudan has done. In short, these devotees did not place themselves between Swami and His devotees in the way that Madhusudan Naidu does, nor did they seek to supplant Swami as the object of devotees’ worship as Madhusudan has done.
These devotees sharing the messages they received from Swami in meditation is vastly different from the behaviour of Madhusudan. There is absolutely no comparison between them. The fact that his followers claim that there is, gives the impression they are desperately grasping at any justification they can find.
In summary:
1: Swami spoke to these devotees in their meditations etc and then gave them permission to pass those messages on to devotees. These devotees never asked for money, tried to gather followers, claimed they could grant interviews or answer personal questions. They never imitated Swami’s voice or mannerisms, nor did they ever try to set themselves up as gurus. They never acted as anything other than humble devotees of Swami.
2: Madhusudan has progressively set himself up as an intermediary for Baba, even though Baba said He needs no intermediary. He asks for money and properties around the world, even though Swami said He would never do this. Then he went another step further and set himself up as a replacement for Baba. These other devotees did not.
THE CASE OF RON LAING AND PEGGY MASON
Next you quoted Ron Laing and Peggy Mason talking to Swami about mediums.
When I first met him in 1987, Dr Jack Hislop told me that when he spoke to Swami, he quickly learned to ask questions only desiring to learn the truth from Swami, without being attached to his own opinions. He always placed his faith in whatever Swami said, regardless of what he heard from any other source. Whenever he encountered a teaching that contradicted what Swami said, He would immediately dismiss it from his mind and believe Swami. Because he had faith in Swami, he trusted what Swami said.
Ron and Peggy on the other hand, were very much involved in the world of psychics and mediums both before and after they came to Swami. The most important part of the quote you have used from Peggy is, “Indeed, as we had expected.” By their own admission, they asked the question with preconceived notions of what they expected Baba to say. Swami therefore gave them the answer they expected.
It is well known that the answers we would get from Swami depended on the attitude and expectations with which one asked. Since they asked this question with the expectation of a certain answer, they got that answer. As Swami said, He is just reflection, reaction, resound and whatever attitude you have when you meet Him will just be reflected back to you. I’ve seen this happen time and again in interviews with Swami, when people asked Him a question with a particular expectation.
This quote from Ron and Peggy therefore does not negate the fact that Swami, in His public discourses, said repeatedly over many years that we should have nothing to do with those who make claims like the ones Madhusudan makes:
When I first met him in 1987, Dr Jack Hislop told me that when he spoke to Swami, he quickly learned to ask questions only desiring to learn the truth from Swami, without being attached to his own opinions. He always placed his faith in whatever Swami said, regardless of what he heard from any other source. Whenever he encountered a teaching that contradicted what Swami said, He would immediately dismiss it from his mind and believe Swami. Because he had faith in Swami, he trusted what Swami said.
Ron and Peggy on the other hand, were very much involved in the world of psychics and mediums both before and after they came to Swami. The most important part of the quote you have used from Peggy is, “Indeed, as we had expected.” By their own admission, they asked the question with preconceived notions of what they expected Baba to say. Swami therefore gave them the answer they expected.
It is well known that the answers we would get from Swami depended on the attitude and expectations with which one asked. Since they asked this question with the expectation of a certain answer, they got that answer. As Swami said, He is just reflection, reaction, resound and whatever attitude you have when you meet Him will just be reflected back to you. I’ve seen this happen time and again in interviews with Swami, when people asked Him a question with a particular expectation.
This quote from Ron and Peggy therefore does not negate the fact that Swami, in His public discourses, said repeatedly over many years that we should have nothing to do with those who make claims like the ones Madhusudan makes:
Some others are swept off their feet by hysterical demonstrations by certain weak minded individuals who are described as My speaking through them or acting through them! Take it from Me, I am not given to such absurdities! I do not use others as My media; I have no need to. I do not swing from side to side and prattle! Why, even those who torture their bodies and suffer the pains of asceticism for years until ant hills overwhelm them and they become as stiff as tree-stumps find it difficult to realise the Lord. How then can these idlers, who eat their fill and wander about as slaves of their senses, earn that status so cheaply? Their gestures, words, and actions are hollow and vain; those who burn incense before them and revere them are turning away from Me and running after falsehood.
How can the Full ever dally with the paltry and wear the habiliment of the trifling? When God has come assuming form, take it from Me, it will not fill inferior vessels or embellish tawdry stuff or enter impure bodies. So do not extol these falsities and ruin those unfortunates. Deal with them severely, and they will be cured. Those who have seen the brilliance of the diamond will not be misled by glass trinkets. The Lord is like the diamond, call it by any name. But a trinket cannot be turned into a diamond, however loud the praise and however adamant the claim.
SSS 2.31: 4 March 1962, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume02/sss02-31.pdf
Then, there are some who proclaim that I am "coming upon someone" and speaking through them! They pretend to be My mouthpieces and communicate to others My advice and My suggestions, as if I have 'authorised' them or as if I am Myself telling so through them. Now hear this. I never speak through another; I never possess another or use another as a vehicle of expression. I come direct, I come straight, I come as I am, to confer peace and joy.
SSS 5.18: 27 March 1965, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume05/sss05-18.pdf
"Persons who claim to be possessed by Me have appeared recently; order them out, wherever you meet them. Do not yield to such morons and fakes, and lower your own dignity as devotees".
SSSun Vol 2, p.202, http://www.vahini.org/downloads/sathyamsivamsundaram-II.html
How can the Full ever dally with the paltry and wear the habiliment of the trifling? When God has come assuming form, take it from Me, it will not fill inferior vessels or embellish tawdry stuff or enter impure bodies. So do not extol these falsities and ruin those unfortunates. Deal with them severely, and they will be cured. Those who have seen the brilliance of the diamond will not be misled by glass trinkets. The Lord is like the diamond, call it by any name. But a trinket cannot be turned into a diamond, however loud the praise and however adamant the claim.
SSS 2.31: 4 March 1962, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume02/sss02-31.pdf
Then, there are some who proclaim that I am "coming upon someone" and speaking through them! They pretend to be My mouthpieces and communicate to others My advice and My suggestions, as if I have 'authorised' them or as if I am Myself telling so through them. Now hear this. I never speak through another; I never possess another or use another as a vehicle of expression. I come direct, I come straight, I come as I am, to confer peace and joy.
SSS 5.18: 27 March 1965, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume05/sss05-18.pdf
"Persons who claim to be possessed by Me have appeared recently; order them out, wherever you meet them. Do not yield to such morons and fakes, and lower your own dignity as devotees".
SSSun Vol 2, p.202, http://www.vahini.org/downloads/sathyamsivamsundaram-II.html
DR. HISLOP AND HOWARD MURPHET
Wouldn't it be better for devotees to simply have faith in Swami, as He asked us to? Look at the attitude of Dr Hislop. Whatever Swami said, He simply had faith in it, even if it contradicted his personal beliefs. Is this not an example of devotion? Dr Hislop lived Swami's teachings on having faith in Swami. Yet now, Madhusudan contradicts Swami again and again, and his followers instead choose to believe him, rather than Swami.
Howard Murphet also recalled a warning sent out in Sanathana Sarathi in the 1960's about this kind of claim:
…a notice appeared in the ashram magazine, under the direction of Baba. The notice said:
"Some persons misuse the name of Baba, and announce that Baba is in communication with them, giving them messages, answering questions and granting interviews, their object being to earn money or fame."
The notice goes on to say that such phenomena have to be explained either as the manifestation of spirits or as sheer fakes by cranks or crooks:
"It is the duty of devotees to stop all such trickery by wise counsel and firm denial." Sai Baba Man of Miracles, pp 147-148:
This is the warning Howard Murphet was referring to in Man of Miracles. Note that the warning message ends ‘This note is published as directed by Baba.’ In other words, the wording was given by Him as well: Note that the message published under Baba’s direction states that Swami said that ALL such incidents have to be explained as hysteria, or the manifestation of spirits, or as sheer fakes, by cranks and crooks.
Howard Murphet also recalled a warning sent out in Sanathana Sarathi in the 1960's about this kind of claim:
…a notice appeared in the ashram magazine, under the direction of Baba. The notice said:
"Some persons misuse the name of Baba, and announce that Baba is in communication with them, giving them messages, answering questions and granting interviews, their object being to earn money or fame."
The notice goes on to say that such phenomena have to be explained either as the manifestation of spirits or as sheer fakes by cranks or crooks:
"It is the duty of devotees to stop all such trickery by wise counsel and firm denial." Sai Baba Man of Miracles, pp 147-148:
This is the warning Howard Murphet was referring to in Man of Miracles. Note that the warning message ends ‘This note is published as directed by Baba.’ In other words, the wording was given by Him as well: Note that the message published under Baba’s direction states that Swami said that ALL such incidents have to be explained as hysteria, or the manifestation of spirits, or as sheer fakes, by cranks and crooks.
Swami wasn’t talking here about people to whom He had given inspirations to or messages in meditation, like Charles Penn. He was specifically talking about people who did what Madhusudan is doing now. People who claim that Baba is in communication with them, giving them messages for the devotees, answering questions and granting interviews. People who claim that Swami has possessed them (like Madhusudan’s claim that Swami will live in his body for the next 10 years). He had also condemned those who claim that He is acting through them, those who dress up like Him and wave their hands in the air like Him – once again, all things that Madhusudan is doing.
So again, do you think that Swami has changed His mind? Or do you maybe think that He has decided to go back on His word?
The simple and rather sad fact is those who have chosen to put their faith in Madhusudan, rather than listening to what Swami Himself said, are not following Swami's clear guidance. Swami said that no real devotee of Baba will be taken in by such devices. Swami also said that it is the duty of devotees to stop all such trickery by wise counsel and firm denial.
So again, do you think that Swami has changed His mind? Or do you maybe think that He has decided to go back on His word?
The simple and rather sad fact is those who have chosen to put their faith in Madhusudan, rather than listening to what Swami Himself said, are not following Swami's clear guidance. Swami said that no real devotee of Baba will be taken in by such devices. Swami also said that it is the duty of devotees to stop all such trickery by wise counsel and firm denial.
PART TWO:
SWAMI VIVEKANANDA AND VINOBA BHAVE
Next you quote Swami Vivekananda and Vinoba (not Vinobe) Bhave, neither of whom were devotees of Swami, so it’s a little unclear on why you think that their experience is relevant. It is clear though that you want to use them and their examples to support Madhusudan’s claim that Swami speaks through him.
But tell me – Did Swami Vivekananda claim that he was Sri Ramakrishna? Did he imitate Ramakrishna’s way of speaking and walking? Did he ask his brother disciples to worship him as Sri Ramakrishna? Did he ever say that Ramakrishna only ever taught primary school level spirituality and say that Dakshineshwar was a spiritual primary school? Did he claim that he was teaching high school level spirituality and say that Belur Math was teaching high school level spirituality? Did he in short, treat his guru as competition, rather than as his guru?
No, he didn’t. Because he had true reverence and devotion to his guru.
Yet Madhusudan has said that Swami only taught that God existed, while he is teaching that God is in everyone.
This is a blatant untruth, as anyone who has ever read Swami’s teachings already knows.
Madhusudan claims that Swami only managed to complete 20% of His mission, but that Madhusudan will complete 80% of it.
This is despite the fact that Swami had already said that His mission was complete in 2006.
Madhusudan also claims that Swami only taught primary school level spirituality and that Puttaparthi was a primary school. At the same time he praises himself as teaching high school level spirituality and says that Muddenahalli is like a high school. In short, he praises himself while denigrating his own guru.
What does that say for his reverence towards Swami, who is both his guru and the person he owes his education to?
What does it say for his concept of Swami? His grasp of Swami and His Mission?
Swami was so far beyond this way of thinking as to be utterly unreachable by one like Madhusudan who entertains such duality and such low minded partisan political thinking. How tragic it is that some people actually believe it is Swami who is saying these things.
In fact, Vivekananda’s humility with regard to his guru puts Madhusudan to shame. Vivekananda said of his guru:
“Today the name of Sri Râmakrishna Paramhamsa is known all over India with its millions of people. Nay, the power of that man has spread beyond India, and if there has ever been a word of truth, a word of spirituality that I have spoken anywhere in the world, I owe it to my Master; only the mistakes are mine.”
My Master, page 26, http://www.yogebooks.com/english/vivekananda/1901mymaster.pdf
Madhusudan on the other hand, does not hesitate to extol himself, while belittling Baba. There is no comparison at all between Swami Vivekananda and Madhusudan.
You have likewise quoted Vinoba Bhave in order to justify what Madhusudan is saying.
Did Vinoba Bhave start proclaiming himself as possessed by Krishna after giving his lectures on the Gita? Did he try to set himself up as another Krishna? No, he didn’t. He was an embodiment of humility.
Yet Madhusudan is setting himself up as another Sai Baba.
Swami told Howard Murphet and many others who spoke in front of Him, “I will speak through you,” yet none of them went on to act like Madhusudan is doing now. There is no comparison between those who are granted a divine inspiration and a person who is prepared to denigrate his own guru in order to claim that he and his teachings are better. The idea that Madhusudan thinks he is giving out higher teachings than Swami would be laughable if it were not so offensive.
And since you have mentioned Swami Vivekananda, let’s not forget the fact that Madhusudan was not content with just imitating Swami. He’s done the same with Swami Vivekananda.
Before making his big announcement that he had ‘merged’ in Swami, Madhusudan claimed that he had attained Samadhi. He then related a story in which he claims he had a conversation with Swami while he was in ‘samadhi.’ Let’s not even get into the fact that Baba, Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda have all said that true samadhi is beyond the mind and all words are impossible in that state. The relevant fact is that Madhusudan’s story bears an uncanny resemblance to an episode from Vivekananda’s life. Here’s what Madhusudan claimed about his experience of samadhi:
I have taken a few flights. He has given me some glimpses of that Divine Self. If I had an option, I would never have returned. I told Him emphatically, “I do not want to return, I want to remain in this blissful state.”
He refused, “No, you have got work to do. I will keep this experience of bliss and the supreme divine experience like a precious jewel in a box for you. I will keep the key and when you would have finished My work and done all that I want you to do, I will open the box and give it back to you. It is your property, but it is in My custody; someday, I will give it back to you.”
Madhusudan Naidu, From the Heart 5, 4 December 2017, pp.15-16
Now compare Madhusudan’s version of his ‘samadhi’ to what happened after Swami Vivekananda first experienced Samadhi:
When he presented himself before the Master, the latter said, looking deep into his eyes, "Now then, the Mother has shown you everything. Just as a treasure is locked up in a box, so will this realization you have just had be locked up and the key shall remain with me. You have work to do. When you have finished my work, the treasure box will be unlocked again; and you will know everything then, as you did just now. "The Life of Swami Vivekananda, pp. 177-178
Madhusudan’s story is an blatant imitation of Swami Vivekananda’s first experience of Samadhi. That much is fairly obvious to all but the most desperate. Madhusudan has just replaced Vivekananda with himself in the story. He’s barely even changed the words. Madhusudan seems to have forgotten that Swami said very often that ‘Imitation is human, but creation is Divine.’
Remember, as mentioned before, this is what Swami said about those who imitate Him and try to become ‘Sai Babas,’ which is exactly what Madhusudan is trying to do. He said that "they are poisonous pests who destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine", and that they injure the peace and harmony of society, finally bringing ruin to it:
In this Kali Yuga, also such imitations are cropping up just as Paundraka shaped himself into a Vasudeva (Krishna). We have today even Sathya Sai Babas… they study photographs and hold their hands up very nearly like I do and make themselves ridiculous by frantic attempts to imitate Me. They forget that imitation is only human; but, Creation is Divine.
Those who attempt to become Sathya Sai Babas by this ludicrous process of imitation only destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine. They are poisonous pests which injure the peace and harmony of society. They collect around themselves insects of like nature. For only birds of the same feather can flock together. These 'pretenders' fall into ruin themselves and bring ruin on the society where they operate, as the proverbial horde of monkeys that ruin themselves and bring ruin on the forest which they inhabit.
SSS 12.2: 14 January 1973, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-02.pdf
Now, there are bhaktas by the million! They are increasing daily in number. And you might have noticed, Sai Babas too have become very large in number! Also, people claiming association with Me, claiming that I have blessed them more plentifully than others, and authorised them to go about the bhaktas and gain importance or funds or donations! Real devotees will never announce such absurd claims or listen to such claims made by others.
SSS 12.33: 1 April 1974, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-33.pdf
If somebody says Sai Baba's powers have been given to him, then we run to him. Sai Baba's powers are such that they are not given to anybody else. Nobody has the ability to take powers from Sai Baba, nor the ability to give them to someone else. Sai Baba's powers are not given like that, and you should not be led away by such statements. Each one's power is within him; it is not possible to give such power to another person. In this manner, by allowing a weak mind to get control over us, if we begin running from place to place, where are we going to get strength of mind, and control our own mind? We must be able to follow one thought, one path. One does not have to search for spiritual power, going around the world and spending a lot of money.
SSS 13.6: 28 March 1975, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume13/sss13-06.pdf
In Penukonda, another person started claiming miraculous powers, saying that he was a devotee of Sai Baba. Several others started imitating My dress and manners, started going about trying to collect a following at different places. Merely assuming My name and manners, one cannot have a following indefinitely. People realised the truth very soon.
SSS 36.20: 23 November 2003, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume36/sss36-20.pdf
But tell me – Did Swami Vivekananda claim that he was Sri Ramakrishna? Did he imitate Ramakrishna’s way of speaking and walking? Did he ask his brother disciples to worship him as Sri Ramakrishna? Did he ever say that Ramakrishna only ever taught primary school level spirituality and say that Dakshineshwar was a spiritual primary school? Did he claim that he was teaching high school level spirituality and say that Belur Math was teaching high school level spirituality? Did he in short, treat his guru as competition, rather than as his guru?
No, he didn’t. Because he had true reverence and devotion to his guru.
Yet Madhusudan has said that Swami only taught that God existed, while he is teaching that God is in everyone.
This is a blatant untruth, as anyone who has ever read Swami’s teachings already knows.
Madhusudan claims that Swami only managed to complete 20% of His mission, but that Madhusudan will complete 80% of it.
This is despite the fact that Swami had already said that His mission was complete in 2006.
Madhusudan also claims that Swami only taught primary school level spirituality and that Puttaparthi was a primary school. At the same time he praises himself as teaching high school level spirituality and says that Muddenahalli is like a high school. In short, he praises himself while denigrating his own guru.
What does that say for his reverence towards Swami, who is both his guru and the person he owes his education to?
What does it say for his concept of Swami? His grasp of Swami and His Mission?
Swami was so far beyond this way of thinking as to be utterly unreachable by one like Madhusudan who entertains such duality and such low minded partisan political thinking. How tragic it is that some people actually believe it is Swami who is saying these things.
In fact, Vivekananda’s humility with regard to his guru puts Madhusudan to shame. Vivekananda said of his guru:
“Today the name of Sri Râmakrishna Paramhamsa is known all over India with its millions of people. Nay, the power of that man has spread beyond India, and if there has ever been a word of truth, a word of spirituality that I have spoken anywhere in the world, I owe it to my Master; only the mistakes are mine.”
My Master, page 26, http://www.yogebooks.com/english/vivekananda/1901mymaster.pdf
Madhusudan on the other hand, does not hesitate to extol himself, while belittling Baba. There is no comparison at all between Swami Vivekananda and Madhusudan.
You have likewise quoted Vinoba Bhave in order to justify what Madhusudan is saying.
Did Vinoba Bhave start proclaiming himself as possessed by Krishna after giving his lectures on the Gita? Did he try to set himself up as another Krishna? No, he didn’t. He was an embodiment of humility.
Yet Madhusudan is setting himself up as another Sai Baba.
Swami told Howard Murphet and many others who spoke in front of Him, “I will speak through you,” yet none of them went on to act like Madhusudan is doing now. There is no comparison between those who are granted a divine inspiration and a person who is prepared to denigrate his own guru in order to claim that he and his teachings are better. The idea that Madhusudan thinks he is giving out higher teachings than Swami would be laughable if it were not so offensive.
And since you have mentioned Swami Vivekananda, let’s not forget the fact that Madhusudan was not content with just imitating Swami. He’s done the same with Swami Vivekananda.
Before making his big announcement that he had ‘merged’ in Swami, Madhusudan claimed that he had attained Samadhi. He then related a story in which he claims he had a conversation with Swami while he was in ‘samadhi.’ Let’s not even get into the fact that Baba, Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda have all said that true samadhi is beyond the mind and all words are impossible in that state. The relevant fact is that Madhusudan’s story bears an uncanny resemblance to an episode from Vivekananda’s life. Here’s what Madhusudan claimed about his experience of samadhi:
I have taken a few flights. He has given me some glimpses of that Divine Self. If I had an option, I would never have returned. I told Him emphatically, “I do not want to return, I want to remain in this blissful state.”
He refused, “No, you have got work to do. I will keep this experience of bliss and the supreme divine experience like a precious jewel in a box for you. I will keep the key and when you would have finished My work and done all that I want you to do, I will open the box and give it back to you. It is your property, but it is in My custody; someday, I will give it back to you.”
Madhusudan Naidu, From the Heart 5, 4 December 2017, pp.15-16
Now compare Madhusudan’s version of his ‘samadhi’ to what happened after Swami Vivekananda first experienced Samadhi:
When he presented himself before the Master, the latter said, looking deep into his eyes, "Now then, the Mother has shown you everything. Just as a treasure is locked up in a box, so will this realization you have just had be locked up and the key shall remain with me. You have work to do. When you have finished my work, the treasure box will be unlocked again; and you will know everything then, as you did just now. "The Life of Swami Vivekananda, pp. 177-178
Madhusudan’s story is an blatant imitation of Swami Vivekananda’s first experience of Samadhi. That much is fairly obvious to all but the most desperate. Madhusudan has just replaced Vivekananda with himself in the story. He’s barely even changed the words. Madhusudan seems to have forgotten that Swami said very often that ‘Imitation is human, but creation is Divine.’
Remember, as mentioned before, this is what Swami said about those who imitate Him and try to become ‘Sai Babas,’ which is exactly what Madhusudan is trying to do. He said that "they are poisonous pests who destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine", and that they injure the peace and harmony of society, finally bringing ruin to it:
In this Kali Yuga, also such imitations are cropping up just as Paundraka shaped himself into a Vasudeva (Krishna). We have today even Sathya Sai Babas… they study photographs and hold their hands up very nearly like I do and make themselves ridiculous by frantic attempts to imitate Me. They forget that imitation is only human; but, Creation is Divine.
Those who attempt to become Sathya Sai Babas by this ludicrous process of imitation only destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine. They are poisonous pests which injure the peace and harmony of society. They collect around themselves insects of like nature. For only birds of the same feather can flock together. These 'pretenders' fall into ruin themselves and bring ruin on the society where they operate, as the proverbial horde of monkeys that ruin themselves and bring ruin on the forest which they inhabit.
SSS 12.2: 14 January 1973, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-02.pdf
Now, there are bhaktas by the million! They are increasing daily in number. And you might have noticed, Sai Babas too have become very large in number! Also, people claiming association with Me, claiming that I have blessed them more plentifully than others, and authorised them to go about the bhaktas and gain importance or funds or donations! Real devotees will never announce such absurd claims or listen to such claims made by others.
SSS 12.33: 1 April 1974, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-33.pdf
If somebody says Sai Baba's powers have been given to him, then we run to him. Sai Baba's powers are such that they are not given to anybody else. Nobody has the ability to take powers from Sai Baba, nor the ability to give them to someone else. Sai Baba's powers are not given like that, and you should not be led away by such statements. Each one's power is within him; it is not possible to give such power to another person. In this manner, by allowing a weak mind to get control over us, if we begin running from place to place, where are we going to get strength of mind, and control our own mind? We must be able to follow one thought, one path. One does not have to search for spiritual power, going around the world and spending a lot of money.
SSS 13.6: 28 March 1975, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume13/sss13-06.pdf
In Penukonda, another person started claiming miraculous powers, saying that he was a devotee of Sai Baba. Several others started imitating My dress and manners, started going about trying to collect a following at different places. Merely assuming My name and manners, one cannot have a following indefinitely. People realised the truth very soon.
SSS 36.20: 23 November 2003, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume36/sss36-20.pdf
FINAL PART
THE OTHER IMITATORS, BALA SAI, SWAMI ROBERTO AND OTHERS:
The devotees of Bala Sai Baba of Kurnool, another imitator of Sathya Sai, claimed similar experiences which confirmed to them that he was an incarnation of Baba. Despite their claimed experiences, Swami condemned Bala Sai Baba as a fraud.
The Italian devotees here will also remember ‘Swami Roberto,’ an Italian Sai devotee. After visiting Swami, Roberto took to calling himself ‘Swami Roberto’, wearing a similar robe to Swami and waving his hand in the air in imitation of Swami, just as Madhusudan calls himself Madhusudan Sai, while wearing a similar robe to Swami and waving his hand in the air.
Swami Roberto' also had many, many avid devotees who claimed similar experiences of Baba in his presence. He also had an ashram, charitable projects, etc - and yet he was an inveterate fake who now dresses up in imitation of the Pope, rather than Swami.
In fact, we could probably find similar claims from among the devotees of all of the below imitators of Swami: https://saibapole.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/copy-cat-title-for-sathya-sai-imitators/
The Italian devotees here will also remember ‘Swami Roberto,’ an Italian Sai devotee. After visiting Swami, Roberto took to calling himself ‘Swami Roberto’, wearing a similar robe to Swami and waving his hand in the air in imitation of Swami, just as Madhusudan calls himself Madhusudan Sai, while wearing a similar robe to Swami and waving his hand in the air.
Swami Roberto' also had many, many avid devotees who claimed similar experiences of Baba in his presence. He also had an ashram, charitable projects, etc - and yet he was an inveterate fake who now dresses up in imitation of the Pope, rather than Swami.
In fact, we could probably find similar claims from among the devotees of all of the below imitators of Swami: https://saibapole.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/copy-cat-title-for-sathya-sai-imitators/
CONTRADICTIONS SPECIFIC TO MADHUSUDAN NAIDU
A) Contradictions as to Swami’s direct words about money collection:
Dear devotee, you claim that you have had experiences with Madhusudan being a pure instrument for Baba. However, the reason you believe in Madhusudan is that you have placed your faith in Madhusudan, Narasimhamurthy etc, rather than listening to what Swami said. Swami told us not to trust people:
“Love everyone. But don't trust men. Anybody who trusts men will be ruined. Love them. But don't trust. Then, what is the problem of trusting people? When we have faith in people, we get cheated. Love all, Serve all. But don't believe them”.
Translation of Sathya Sai Baba's discourse on 6 May 2002 by Mr B. N. Narasimhamurthy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv47mHMiqOs
Dear devotee, you claim that you have had experiences with Madhusudan being a pure instrument for Baba. However, the reason you believe in Madhusudan is that you have placed your faith in Madhusudan, Narasimhamurthy etc, rather than listening to what Swami said. Swami told us not to trust people:
“Love everyone. But don't trust men. Anybody who trusts men will be ruined. Love them. But don't trust. Then, what is the problem of trusting people? When we have faith in people, we get cheated. Love all, Serve all. But don't believe them”.
Translation of Sathya Sai Baba's discourse on 6 May 2002 by Mr B. N. Narasimhamurthy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv47mHMiqOs
I’m not sure which Swami Madhusudan worships, but the one we worship is the Creator of the entire universe, who has no need to ask anyone for anything!
Madhusudan is saying that Swami asks for money and was dependent on rich donors, a very low and totally misleading view of Swami and His divine power. A view which is the complete opposite of what Swami Himself said! Swami said He needed nothing from anyone, that He had never asked for money and that He would never ask:
"The advent [of this Avatar] took place sixty four years ago. All these years, this hand has not stretched at any time to seek anything from anyone. I have not asked anyone. I will never ask anyone and there will never be an occasion for it."
SSS 23.34: 23 November 1990, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume23/sss23-34.pdf
I seek nothing from anyone. I have not sought anything all these seventy years. My hand always gives. The only thing that I seek from you is Love. My love for you is pure, unchanging and selfless. What is your life worth if you cannot believe in such love? Believe in it. You place trust in double-dealers. Why don't you stand by the truth which you know? Receive my pure love with a pure heart. Make yourself holy. Live in love. Love is God. Bear in mind what Svaami has said and regard Svaami's words as a beacon light for your lives. With the light of Svaami's advice in your hearts, you can proceed on life's journey for any length of time. Remember with love God, who is everything.
SSS 29.9: 31 March 1996, http://sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume29/sss29-09.pdf
You all know very well that huge amount of money is required for such stupendous projects. But I did not ask anybody to give even a naya paisa. My Sankalpa (Will) is all-powerful.
Central Trust Anniversary discourse, 2 September 2007, http://www.theprasanthireporter.org/2012/09/my-sankalpa-is-all-powerful/
I have not stretched My hand before anyone till date for any kind of help. If there is anyone in this vast concourse of devotees in this hall whom I had approached for money, they may rise and point out to Me. There is none, surely. Whatever I need in My Avataric Mission comes from within only.
SSS 41.18: 23 November 2008, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume41/sss41-18.pdf
When I decide on a project, the wherewithal for accomplishing has to be spontaneously available without any fund raising campaign. My will has the power to concretise my plan.
SSS 18.25: 23 November 1985, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume18/sss18-25.pdf
You are coming here with all devotion and sincerity. Do not get deceived by people who do business in the name of devotion. In many places, we find people indulging in such mean practices. Maintain safe distance from them. Tyaja durjana samsargam; Bhaja sadhu samagamam; Kuru punyam ahorathram (run away from bad company; join good company and perform meritorious deeds day and night). You may even live in the company of snakes, but should not tolerate the company of such evil-minded people. We are undertaking so many social welfare activities, but I have never asked anybody even for a paisa. You are all aware of this. I do not involve Myself in money matters. But people today consider money as God. How can such people be called devotees? I told you earlier about this. I have started a service programme to look after children who do not have parents. One lakh rupees would be deposited in their name, which will take care of their needs. I have not asked anybody for any help in this regard. But today some people are collecting money saying that they would donate the amount to Swami for this purpose. Some others are proclaiming that they have taken up the responsibility of looking after the children. Can there be a worse sin than this? All such people are betrayers of God. Better they beg in the streets, than use My name to collect money.
…There are some people who are doing business in the Name of Sai. They are cheating others, pretending to be devotees of Sai. I do not approve of such behaviour. They are not devotees at all. They are going to different parts of the country and also abroad to make money in the name of Sai. It is a big crime. I do not ask for even a single paisa from others. I never approve of such business. Whoever it may be, if somebody approaches you with such a crass motive, tell him to get out at once. Do not allow business to enter the field of spirituality. One may do what one likes for the maintenance of one’s family, but nobody should do business using Sai’s name. Unfortunately, such activity is on the increase. In many villages, we find people misusing Sai’s name for their selfish gains. This is happening even in many other countries like America, England, Japan, Germany, Singapore, Malaysia. Do not associate yourself with such wicked people. Keep your hearts pure and sacred. Otherwise, you are equal to a living corpse. Such people should not be respected. Better you perform their obituary rites!
SSS 35.11: 22 July 2002, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume35/sss35-11.pdf
In the name of Swami, there are some people who collect money saying that Swami has possessed them, speaks through them and that He has given power to them. There cannot be more demonic acts than this. Neither I enter anybody nor do I tell anyone to act on behalf of me.
Discourse by Sathya Sai Baba, 21 November 1988, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92-ik63udUY
Questioner: How do you generate funds for a multi crore rupees projects that various trusts of yours take up from time to time?
Swami: Whenever intentions are pure, determination (Sankalp) is strong the money comes on its own. I've never thought of money in my Life. Money comes & goes, Morality comes & grows.
Interview with the Times of India, 11 August 1998, quoted in Sathya Sai the Supreme Master, p.270
There are many men of sacrifice in this world. But I did not ask anyone. If only I ask, there will be a shower of money. But I do not like to become cheap by asking.
SSS 32 pt 2.2: 28 July 1999, http://www.saidarshan.org/baba/docs/d990728.html
We can hear Baba's emphatic statement about not cheapening Himself, by downloading this discourse from Sathya Sai Speaks. Baba says this at the 54 min 32 second mark in the following discourse: http://www.sssbpt.info/english/sssvol32.html
During His final discourse in Muddenahalli in 2009, Baba also said that He has no need to ask anyone for money:
Do not be worried about the funds. So far, I have never asked anybody for money. Where is the need to ask anybody for money when the goddess of wealth, Lakshmi , resides in My heart? Therefore, do not ask anybody for money. I will provide everything. I do not beg from anybody. I am not a beggar. Whatever may be the expenditure, I will bear all of it Myself.
SSS 42.3: 14 February 2009, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-03.pdf
Swami's words, therefore, prove that Madhusudan is not telling the truth. He has deceived you. Due to his deception, you have chosen to put your faith in Madhusudan’s claims rather than Swami’s own words. That alone should tell you that Madhusudan is not taking you towards Swami, or anything to do with Swami. Perhaps your time would be better spent first examining Swami and His teachings, rather than trying to convince people here that Madhusudan is a ‘pure instrument of Swami?’
Swami: Whenever intentions are pure, determination (Sankalp) is strong the money comes on its own. I've never thought of money in my Life. Money comes & goes, Morality comes & grows.
Interview with the Times of India, 11 August 1998, quoted in Sathya Sai the Supreme Master, p.270
There are many men of sacrifice in this world. But I did not ask anyone. If only I ask, there will be a shower of money. But I do not like to become cheap by asking.
SSS 32 pt 2.2: 28 July 1999, http://www.saidarshan.org/baba/docs/d990728.html
We can hear Baba's emphatic statement about not cheapening Himself, by downloading this discourse from Sathya Sai Speaks. Baba says this at the 54 min 32 second mark in the following discourse: http://www.sssbpt.info/english/sssvol32.html
During His final discourse in Muddenahalli in 2009, Baba also said that He has no need to ask anyone for money:
Do not be worried about the funds. So far, I have never asked anybody for money. Where is the need to ask anybody for money when the goddess of wealth, Lakshmi , resides in My heart? Therefore, do not ask anybody for money. I will provide everything. I do not beg from anybody. I am not a beggar. Whatever may be the expenditure, I will bear all of it Myself.
SSS 42.3: 14 February 2009, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-03.pdf
Swami's words, therefore, prove that Madhusudan is not telling the truth. He has deceived you. Due to his deception, you have chosen to put your faith in Madhusudan’s claims rather than Swami’s own words. That alone should tell you that Madhusudan is not taking you towards Swami, or anything to do with Swami. Perhaps your time would be better spent first examining Swami and His teachings, rather than trying to convince people here that Madhusudan is a ‘pure instrument of Swami?’
B) CONTRADICTIONS AS TO RELAYING SWAMI'S MESSAGES:
Dear devotee,
You’re also trying to say here, ‘Swami spoke through other people, why not Madhusudan?’ The simple fact is that yes, Swami has inspired people. He’s given people messages in meditation. He’s then approved them publishing those messages, in some cases, not all. He’s even told friends of mine who spoke in front of Him, including Howard Murphet, that He would speak through them. It’s not a question of devotees saying Swami can’t do this, although that is how Tigrett, Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan attempt to portray it. The whole “Swami can do anything, don’t let anyone tell you that He can’t do this.” It’s not whether He can or can’t. It is the fact that Swami Himself said He would never do this, and to claim that He is, contradicts what He said.
He also told us not to chase after people, who claim that Swami communicates through them, but to find Him within ourselves:
Visualise God in your hearts; why, go to such place or outside yourselves to see Him? In some other places, they announce that I make Myself present and communicate through writings on rangoli powder etc.! I do not do such things, if I come at all to any place. I come directly, so that you see Me. I do not speak or answer through another person or another medium!
SSS 11.24: 14 May 1971, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume11/sss11-24.pdf
“I do not speak or answer through another person or another medium.”
That’s fairly clear, for anyone who actually has faith in Swami. You are trying to make a case for Madhusudan being an instrument of Swami, but the simple fact is that Swami consistently warned us not to believe people who make the kind of claims that Madhusudan makes. As to why Swami warned us about people like Madhusudan, here it is in His own words:
In this Kali Yuga, also such imitations are cropping up just as Paundraka shaped himself into a Vasudeva (Krishna). We have today even Sathya Sai Babas… they study photographs and hold their hands up very nearly like I do and make themselves ridiculous by frantic attempts to imitate Me. They forget that imitation is only human; but, Creation is Divine.
Those who attempt to become Sathya Sai Babas by this ludicrous process of imitation only destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine. They are poisonous pests which injure the peace and harmony of society. They collect around themselves insects of like nature. For only birds of the same feather can flock together. These 'pretenders' fall into ruin themselves and bring ruin on the society where they operate, as the proverbial horde of monkeys that ruin themselves and bring ruin on the forest which they inhabit.
SSS 12.2: 14 January 1973, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-02.pdf
Now, there are bhaktas by the million! They are increasing daily in number. And you might have noticed, Sai Babas too have become very large in number! Also, people claiming association with Me, claiming that I have blessed them more plentifully than others, and authorised them to go about the bhaktas and gain importance or funds or donations! Real devotees will never announce such absurd claims or listen to such claims made by others.
SSS 12.33: 1 April 1974, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-33.pdf
You’re also trying to say here, ‘Swami spoke through other people, why not Madhusudan?’ The simple fact is that yes, Swami has inspired people. He’s given people messages in meditation. He’s then approved them publishing those messages, in some cases, not all. He’s even told friends of mine who spoke in front of Him, including Howard Murphet, that He would speak through them. It’s not a question of devotees saying Swami can’t do this, although that is how Tigrett, Narasimhamurthy and Madhusudan attempt to portray it. The whole “Swami can do anything, don’t let anyone tell you that He can’t do this.” It’s not whether He can or can’t. It is the fact that Swami Himself said He would never do this, and to claim that He is, contradicts what He said.
He also told us not to chase after people, who claim that Swami communicates through them, but to find Him within ourselves:
Visualise God in your hearts; why, go to such place or outside yourselves to see Him? In some other places, they announce that I make Myself present and communicate through writings on rangoli powder etc.! I do not do such things, if I come at all to any place. I come directly, so that you see Me. I do not speak or answer through another person or another medium!
SSS 11.24: 14 May 1971, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume11/sss11-24.pdf
“I do not speak or answer through another person or another medium.”
That’s fairly clear, for anyone who actually has faith in Swami. You are trying to make a case for Madhusudan being an instrument of Swami, but the simple fact is that Swami consistently warned us not to believe people who make the kind of claims that Madhusudan makes. As to why Swami warned us about people like Madhusudan, here it is in His own words:
In this Kali Yuga, also such imitations are cropping up just as Paundraka shaped himself into a Vasudeva (Krishna). We have today even Sathya Sai Babas… they study photographs and hold their hands up very nearly like I do and make themselves ridiculous by frantic attempts to imitate Me. They forget that imitation is only human; but, Creation is Divine.
Those who attempt to become Sathya Sai Babas by this ludicrous process of imitation only destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine. They are poisonous pests which injure the peace and harmony of society. They collect around themselves insects of like nature. For only birds of the same feather can flock together. These 'pretenders' fall into ruin themselves and bring ruin on the society where they operate, as the proverbial horde of monkeys that ruin themselves and bring ruin on the forest which they inhabit.
SSS 12.2: 14 January 1973, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-02.pdf
Now, there are bhaktas by the million! They are increasing daily in number. And you might have noticed, Sai Babas too have become very large in number! Also, people claiming association with Me, claiming that I have blessed them more plentifully than others, and authorised them to go about the bhaktas and gain importance or funds or donations! Real devotees will never announce such absurd claims or listen to such claims made by others.
SSS 12.33: 1 April 1974, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume12/sss12-33.pdf
C) CONTRADICTIONS AS TO COMPLETION OF SWAMI'S MISSION:
And it’s the simple fact that He consistently condemned people who act and speak in the way Madhusudan is. So much of what Madhusudan says, completely contradicts what Swami Himself said. The very foundation of the Muddenahalli myth is the idea that Madhusudan is completing Swami’s unfinished mission. But the truth is that Swami said that His mission was completed in 2006. He also said repeatedly that Avatars only leave their body after completing their mission.
“My mission is already accomplished. I’m only letting it unfold before your eyes."
Sathya Sai Baba, quoted on http://media.radiosai.org/sai_inspires/2006/SI_20060730.htm
This body has been assumed, to serve a purpose: the establishment of Dharma and the teaching of Dharma. When that purpose is over, this Body will disappear, like the bubble on the waters.
SSS 10.39: 25 December 1970, 25 December 1970, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume10/sss10-39.pdf
Even Avatars (Divine Incarnations) cast off the physical form when the task for which they have come is over.
SSS 7.7: 9 March 1967, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume07/sss07-07.pdf
The Avatars of Rama, Krishna, etc., may be different in names and forms; but the Atma Principle in them is only one. They all lived in their human vestures till the completion of their Avataric mission, and once their task was completed, they disappeared.
SSS 42.4: 21 February 2009, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-04.pdf
Avatars come, fulfil their mission, and disappear.
SSS 42.5: 23 February 2009, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-05.pdf
So, Swami has said that He had already completed His mission, that illness can never approach Him and that He will only leave His body when He had finished His mission. Swami also said that He always spoke the truth. But Madhusudan contradicts Swami by claiming Baba’s mission isn’t complete, that He left His body before completing it due to illness, and that Madhusudan has to finish it.
So, do you think Swami has changed His mind on the truths He spoke during His life? That He would never possess anyone, never speak through anyone, never ask for money, and that there is nothing more demonic than those who do ask for money in Swami’s name? Or do you think any of us would trust someone who so completely contradicts Swami’s own teachings?
Let me tell you that we would trust only Swami who told us firstly, to trust His words and then to follow them rather than trust someone who contradicts Swami:
If you follow the teachings with firm faith in Swami, you will achieve success in all your endeavours. You should have faith in Swami's teachings; love them, adore them and follow them.
SSS 40.22: 26 December 2007, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume40/sss40-22.pdf
“My mission is already accomplished. I’m only letting it unfold before your eyes."
Sathya Sai Baba, quoted on http://media.radiosai.org/sai_inspires/2006/SI_20060730.htm
This body has been assumed, to serve a purpose: the establishment of Dharma and the teaching of Dharma. When that purpose is over, this Body will disappear, like the bubble on the waters.
SSS 10.39: 25 December 1970, 25 December 1970, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume10/sss10-39.pdf
Even Avatars (Divine Incarnations) cast off the physical form when the task for which they have come is over.
SSS 7.7: 9 March 1967, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume07/sss07-07.pdf
The Avatars of Rama, Krishna, etc., may be different in names and forms; but the Atma Principle in them is only one. They all lived in their human vestures till the completion of their Avataric mission, and once their task was completed, they disappeared.
SSS 42.4: 21 February 2009, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-04.pdf
Avatars come, fulfil their mission, and disappear.
SSS 42.5: 23 February 2009, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume42/sss42-05.pdf
So, Swami has said that He had already completed His mission, that illness can never approach Him and that He will only leave His body when He had finished His mission. Swami also said that He always spoke the truth. But Madhusudan contradicts Swami by claiming Baba’s mission isn’t complete, that He left His body before completing it due to illness, and that Madhusudan has to finish it.
So, do you think Swami has changed His mind on the truths He spoke during His life? That He would never possess anyone, never speak through anyone, never ask for money, and that there is nothing more demonic than those who do ask for money in Swami’s name? Or do you think any of us would trust someone who so completely contradicts Swami’s own teachings?
Let me tell you that we would trust only Swami who told us firstly, to trust His words and then to follow them rather than trust someone who contradicts Swami:
If you follow the teachings with firm faith in Swami, you will achieve success in all your endeavours. You should have faith in Swami's teachings; love them, adore them and follow them.
SSS 40.22: 26 December 2007, http://www.sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume40/sss40-22.pdf
CONCLUDING REMARKS:
Dear Devotee,
People are realising the truth about Madhusudan.
We understand that you are probably scared that people are turning away from Madhusudan, which is why you are trying to convince people that they should doubt the proof of Swami’s words as well as the proof in front of their eyes.
But the simple truth is that this is inevitable, as Swami said, “Truth triumphs, falsehood fails.”
Swami has told devotees to stop such trickery with wise counsel and firm denial. His words are truth and devotees will continue to follow them, whether you like it or not.
I don’t know if you have realised it yet, but it looks like nobody here is buying what you are trying to sell. We choose to place our love, our faith and our trust in Swami and what He said. And what He said is that He will never do the things Madhusudan and yourself are claiming that He would do.
If you want to go on believing Madhusudan instead of Swami, by all means go ahead. If you want to believe in someone who imitates Swami while contradicting His teachings, go ahead. You will simply be joining the many other people in the past who have put their faith in all of those other imitators of Swami. And they have all ended up disappointed. Just don’t expect us to waste our faith or our lives (or our money for that matter) by investing them in Madhusudan along with you, because that isn’t going to happen.
Finally, the main point for you to consider here, dear devotee, is this:
You are a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba. Therefore, before you believe anyone else's claims, no matter how long that person may have been with Swami, how 'close' they may claim to have been, or what they claim about themselves - please, please please, for your own spiritual welfare - look first into what Swami Himself has said, trust Him and follow Him. This is, after all, what He asked us all to do.
And Swami said that those who worship self-proclaimed intermediaries instead of Swami are turning away from Him and following falsehood. He said that He would test His devotees severely to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Swami said that those who leave His organisation are the unfortunate ones.
He also said that those in His organisation who held to His Feet and who continued to do selfless service would be liberated. Not only them, but their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.
“I am starting a Seva Samithi. The persons who become members of this Samithi and perform selfless service will be liberated from the cycle of birth and death; not only they, but also their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. But the test will be severe. I will see how many will withstand this test and emerge victorious in the end."
Sri Sathya Sai Anandadayi, pp.139–140.
Note that doing selfless service means service not polluted by advertising and publicizing it through every means possible, as with the service activities Muddenahalli does in imitation of Swami's service projects, under compulsion from Madhusudan and Narasimhamurthy. Since such service seeks publicity and recognition, it is no longer selfless and actually pollutes the sacred sadhana of service, according to Swami:
All acts of service are not equally sanctifying or uniform in the benefits they confer. When service is undertaken by power-hungry people, or under compulsion or by imitative urges, it results in more harm than good. Self-aggrandizement or competition or ostentation are motives that will pollute the sacred Sadhana of Service. The candidate for this Sadhana has to avoid Ahamkara (egotism), Adambara (exhibitionism) and Abhimana (favouritism).
SSS 19.25: 21 November 1986, http://sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume19/sss19-25.pdf
Those of us here are just simple devotees who trust Swami and what He said. He said that He is omnipresent and has a heart to heart connection to each of us and therefore He has no need for a medium or intermediary to communicate with us. He also said that we should not trust those who claim to be mediums or be in communication with Him or who claim to be possessed by Him. All of which are things that Madhusudan is claiming.
Therefore the only question you really need to ask, dear devotee, is whom do you choose to trust? Swami or Madhusudan?
People are realising the truth about Madhusudan.
We understand that you are probably scared that people are turning away from Madhusudan, which is why you are trying to convince people that they should doubt the proof of Swami’s words as well as the proof in front of their eyes.
But the simple truth is that this is inevitable, as Swami said, “Truth triumphs, falsehood fails.”
Swami has told devotees to stop such trickery with wise counsel and firm denial. His words are truth and devotees will continue to follow them, whether you like it or not.
I don’t know if you have realised it yet, but it looks like nobody here is buying what you are trying to sell. We choose to place our love, our faith and our trust in Swami and what He said. And what He said is that He will never do the things Madhusudan and yourself are claiming that He would do.
If you want to go on believing Madhusudan instead of Swami, by all means go ahead. If you want to believe in someone who imitates Swami while contradicting His teachings, go ahead. You will simply be joining the many other people in the past who have put their faith in all of those other imitators of Swami. And they have all ended up disappointed. Just don’t expect us to waste our faith or our lives (or our money for that matter) by investing them in Madhusudan along with you, because that isn’t going to happen.
Finally, the main point for you to consider here, dear devotee, is this:
You are a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba. Therefore, before you believe anyone else's claims, no matter how long that person may have been with Swami, how 'close' they may claim to have been, or what they claim about themselves - please, please please, for your own spiritual welfare - look first into what Swami Himself has said, trust Him and follow Him. This is, after all, what He asked us all to do.
And Swami said that those who worship self-proclaimed intermediaries instead of Swami are turning away from Him and following falsehood. He said that He would test His devotees severely to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Swami said that those who leave His organisation are the unfortunate ones.
He also said that those in His organisation who held to His Feet and who continued to do selfless service would be liberated. Not only them, but their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren.
“I am starting a Seva Samithi. The persons who become members of this Samithi and perform selfless service will be liberated from the cycle of birth and death; not only they, but also their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. But the test will be severe. I will see how many will withstand this test and emerge victorious in the end."
Sri Sathya Sai Anandadayi, pp.139–140.
Note that doing selfless service means service not polluted by advertising and publicizing it through every means possible, as with the service activities Muddenahalli does in imitation of Swami's service projects, under compulsion from Madhusudan and Narasimhamurthy. Since such service seeks publicity and recognition, it is no longer selfless and actually pollutes the sacred sadhana of service, according to Swami:
All acts of service are not equally sanctifying or uniform in the benefits they confer. When service is undertaken by power-hungry people, or under compulsion or by imitative urges, it results in more harm than good. Self-aggrandizement or competition or ostentation are motives that will pollute the sacred Sadhana of Service. The candidate for this Sadhana has to avoid Ahamkara (egotism), Adambara (exhibitionism) and Abhimana (favouritism).
SSS 19.25: 21 November 1986, http://sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume19/sss19-25.pdf
Those of us here are just simple devotees who trust Swami and what He said. He said that He is omnipresent and has a heart to heart connection to each of us and therefore He has no need for a medium or intermediary to communicate with us. He also said that we should not trust those who claim to be mediums or be in communication with Him or who claim to be possessed by Him. All of which are things that Madhusudan is claiming.
Therefore the only question you really need to ask, dear devotee, is whom do you choose to trust? Swami or Madhusudan?
JAI SAI RAM
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